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thechromaticscale:

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bambicandi:

Pricelists Industry vs Fandom.
Finally made.
If anyone would care to donate a coloured comic page for the comic industry standard list I’m willing to accept one and will give credit c8 I would’ve made one if I had an example but I don’t -A-
But yes that’s off my chest.
Of course this is based off my own browsing over price lists and how I work unfortunately my commissioner homie went idle so I can’t confirm the most vs the least one can spend.
I’ve only found one artist thus far that charges nearly as close to industry standard. Even then it’s under the standard. As far a I’m concerned anyone under the standard shouldn’t have complaints about expensive art. Fandom average is hardly one you can live by.
Would you like to get paid $30 for 3-7 days worth of work?

Yeah hey, everyone look at this. This is what EVERY artist should be able to charge, even if just the lower rungs.

I’m going to play the devil’s advocate and disagree with the above comment. Realistically, no, not every artist should be able to charge the same as an industry professional — that would be silly. That’s like showing up to a job and expecting to be paid before you even get hired, because you assume your resume alone was enough. Let’s also not forget that these industry artists are professionals who bear the responsibility of contracts, deadlines, and set procedures.
Ideally, everyone should prove their chops first before they can be paid accordingly. (I say “ideally” because occasionally, amateurs can get away with charging around industry price just because of their “fame” on the internet) I am not disagreeing with this pricelist, nor am I supporting the exploitation of deserving artists. I just don’t like the idea of some artists harbouring self-entitlement issues and whining about how nobody wants to commission them because they made themselves too expensive for their worth. (harsh, I know.) 

Honestly, the internet convention of announcing you are “taking commissions” is basically reversing matters in the first place, since I’m pretty sure in the “industry”, while an artist puts themselves out there (online portfolio, business cards, contacts, w/e), isn’t it like, the commisioning side that makes contact? And you work out a price in the talks? Or they make a posting that they need an artist, give a rough price they are considering, then the artist can make contact and work out the final price?
The way it’s delivered on places like dA changes the culture a lot, I’m sure. When it’s by email or phone, there’s a lot fewer people who’ll go around posting SORRY TOO RICH FOR MY BLOOD. The people whining would probably whine if they were getting it done professionally anyways, difference being it’s a lot easier to whine without feeling like you’re being dumb when it’s in a comments section, since there’s an audience.
Reality is, when you go I’M DOING COMMISSIONS on a dA page, most of the people are kids and that skews the amount people can pay severely. Not to mention, a lot of them just want them to have, whereas the industry probably is going to publish it in some form, so they’re already making a very severe “is this good enough” judgement before even contacting you (which is what portfolios are for, I assume?).
Regardless, it’s not surprising prices for “fandom” are strangely low. If they weren’t that low, hardly anyone there could afford them. So it’s either up to the artist to either seek a different target audience (i.e., people with full time jobs and a decent amount of discretionary income, businesses, etc.) or lower their prices, since the teenagers in general can’t have more cash just because they want more (though some can, I’m sure). It’s just an issue of a market with limited capital, putting pressure on the laborer to work cheaper. You don’t have to, but it’ll be much harder to find work, if any at all. So, you know, work cheaper or find richer people to work for. Cause they won’t stop whining. $100 is like a christmas gift for most of those people.

thechromaticscale:

chebits:

bambicandi:

Pricelists Industry vs Fandom.

Finally made.

If anyone would care to donate a coloured comic page for the comic industry standard list I’m willing to accept one and will give credit c8 I would’ve made one if I had an example but I don’t -A-

But yes that’s off my chest.

Of course this is based off my own browsing over price lists and how I work unfortunately my commissioner homie went idle so I can’t confirm the most vs the least one can spend.

I’ve only found one artist thus far that charges nearly as close to industry standard. Even then it’s under the standard. As far a I’m concerned anyone under the standard shouldn’t have complaints about expensive art. Fandom average is hardly one you can live by.

Would you like to get paid $30 for 3-7 days worth of work?

Yeah hey, everyone look at this. This is what EVERY artist should be able to charge, even if just the lower rungs.

I’m going to play the devil’s advocate and disagree with the above comment. Realistically, no, not every artist should be able to charge the same as an industry professional — that would be silly. That’s like showing up to a job and expecting to be paid before you even get hired, because you assume your resume alone was enough. Let’s also not forget that these industry artists are professionals who bear the responsibility of contracts, deadlines, and set procedures.

Ideally, everyone should prove their chops first before they can be paid accordingly. (I say “ideally” because occasionally, amateurs can get away with charging around industry price just because of their “fame” on the internet) I am not disagreeing with this pricelist, nor am I supporting the exploitation of deserving artists. I just don’t like the idea of some artists harbouring self-entitlement issues and whining about how nobody wants to commission them because they made themselves too expensive for their worth. (harsh, I know.) 

Honestly, the internet convention of announcing you are “taking commissions” is basically reversing matters in the first place, since I’m pretty sure in the “industry”, while an artist puts themselves out there (online portfolio, business cards, contacts, w/e), isn’t it like, the commisioning side that makes contact? And you work out a price in the talks? Or they make a posting that they need an artist, give a rough price they are considering, then the artist can make contact and work out the final price?

The way it’s delivered on places like dA changes the culture a lot, I’m sure. When it’s by email or phone, there’s a lot fewer people who’ll go around posting SORRY TOO RICH FOR MY BLOOD. The people whining would probably whine if they were getting it done professionally anyways, difference being it’s a lot easier to whine without feeling like you’re being dumb when it’s in a comments section, since there’s an audience.

Reality is, when you go I’M DOING COMMISSIONS on a dA page, most of the people are kids and that skews the amount people can pay severely. Not to mention, a lot of them just want them to have, whereas the industry probably is going to publish it in some form, so they’re already making a very severe “is this good enough” judgement before even contacting you (which is what portfolios are for, I assume?).

Regardless, it’s not surprising prices for “fandom” are strangely low. If they weren’t that low, hardly anyone there could afford them. So it’s either up to the artist to either seek a different target audience (i.e., people with full time jobs and a decent amount of discretionary income, businesses, etc.) or lower their prices, since the teenagers in general can’t have more cash just because they want more (though some can, I’m sure). It’s just an issue of a market with limited capital, putting pressure on the laborer to work cheaper. You don’t have to, but it’ll be much harder to find work, if any at all. So, you know, work cheaper or find richer people to work for. Cause they won’t stop whining. $100 is like a christmas gift for most of those people.

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    i like to charge £1-2.50 for my drawings. i feel this is adequate to the amount of time/talent that goes into them.
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    8I holy shitcakes i personally don’t think i’d charge over 100 bux for something i made(thats a lot for a teenager who’s...
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    heh this makes me sad cause ill never get paid that much….
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    Wowzers. Relevant, given that I’m considering opening up for commissions to help with getting my ass moved out. While my...
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